“One of the big issues that came up last night was the fact that the Clinton campaign has paid people to disrupt, violently, our rallies, and to incite absolute total bedlam. It’s so bad, so bad. And you know, I have had occasions where we had rallies and it was so incredibly violent. I said, what’s going on over here? These were paid people by the Clinton campaign and it just came out.” — Donald Trump, campaign rally at Delaware, Ohio, Oct. 20, 2016
“If you look at what came out today, on the clips, where I was wondering what happened with my rally in Chicago and other rallies where we had such violence. She’s the one, and Obama, that caused the violence. They hired people — they paid them $1,500, and they’re on tape saying be violent, cause fights, do bad things.” — Trump, third presidential debate, Oct. 19, 2016
Trump is referring to an online video sting by a group called Project Veritas Action, a conservative group founded by activist James O’Keefe. The majority of the first video released by the group features clips captured by a hidden camera of Scott Foval, a Democratic operative, describing the process of “conflict engagement in the lines at Trump rallies.”
Trump ties the Clinton campaign and Obama to violence at his rallies, specifically in March at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Trump canceled the event after protesters clashed with supporters inside and outside of the event arena. Let’s take a look at the facts.The Facts
The 16-minute video prominently features Foval, of the 501(c)(4) group Americans United for Change. He also was contracted by Democracy Partners, founded by Democratic political operative Robert Creamer. Both Foval and Creamer — who is married to Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) — lost their jobs after the video was released. In the video, Foval says he “answers to the head of special events for the DNC [Democratic National Committee] and the head of the special events for the campaign.” Video clips from hidden cameras capture Foval describing “agitator training” and tricks used to bait Trump supporters outside rallies.
“There’s a script of engagement. Sometimes the crazies bite and sometimes the crazies don’t bite,” Foval says in the video, referring to Trump supporters. He said people are coached not to engage in confrontation inside rallies, because the Secret Service is in control inside. He does not specify at which or how many rallies such “conflict engagement” has taken place.
“Honestly, it’s not hard to get some of these a–holes to pop off. It’s a matter of showing up, to want to get into the rally, in a Planned Parenthood T-shirt. Or [say] ‘Trump is a Nazi.’ You know. You can message to draw them out and draw them to punch you,” he says.
Foval describes his process of making sure there is a “double blind” so that the Clinton campaign and the DNC can have plausible deniability: “The thing that we have to watch is making sure there is a double blind between the actual campaign and the actual DNC and what we’re doing. There’s a double blind there, so they can plausibly deny that they knew anything about it.”
A man who goes by both Aaron Black and Adam Minter, who describes himself as “basically deputy rapid response director for the DNC for all things Trump on the ground,” takes credit for coordinating the University of Illinois at Chicago protest. “But none of this is supposed to come back to us,” he says in the video. Creamer said the man was a “temporary regional subcontractor” for his firm.
“We regret the unprofessional and careless hypothetical conversations that were captured on hidden cameras of a temporary regional contractor for our firm, and he is no longer working with us. While none of the schemes described in the conversations ever took place, these conversations do not at all reflect the values of Democracy Partners,” Creamer said in a statement.
DNC interim chair Donna Brazile said the practices described by the man “do not in any way comport with our long-standing policies on organizing events, and those statements and sentiments do not represent the values that the Committee holds dear.”
An activist named Zulema Rodriguez says in the video that she “did the Chicago Trump event where we shut down like all the, yeah,” and “then we also did the Arizona one where we shut the highway down.” The Trump campaign pointed to Rodriguez as support for Trump’s claim, noting that she was paid $1,610 and $30 for a phone by the Clinton campaign.
Federal Election Commission records show Rodriguez was paid in Arizona on Feb. 29, 2016, about two weeks before the Chicago event. Rodriguez sent us a statement, which read in part that her comments were taken out of context and selectively edited. We asked her to clarify what the February campaign payment was for, but she did not respond. Rodriguez was helping the Clinton campaign organize in Arizona, Time Magazine reported.
“What was omitted and what I constantly repeated to the infiltrators was that my team and I work together to make sure everyone stays safe while exercising their rights. I believe this to my core,” Rodriguez said in the statement.
While many progressive activist groups helped out with the Chicago protest, it was largely an effort led by local activists and university students. Clinton’s campaign denied it had any role in any of the Trump rallies where violence occurred. And Democracy Partners contracted with the DNC in June, three months after the Chicago event in March.
“The DNC has gone to very great lengths to contact local police departments and mayor’s offices to assure that there are adequate police at Trump events to separate Trump supporters and those who want to express their views that Trump is unfit to be president, precisely to avoid violence,” Creamer said in a statement. “None of us on the Democratic side believe violence is good for American politics. Mr. Trump, on the other hand, has repeatedly actually incited violence at his rallies many times in the last year.”
The Trump Foundation made a $10,000 gift to Project Veritas last year, the Washington Post’s David Fahrenthold reported.
Project Veritas has refused to release the full recording, so many questions remain: What exactly were the questions asked of the people filmed in the videos? What was edited in or out? When did these conversations take place? What remains unknown is the context in which these statements were made, what questions they were responding to, and what was edited out.
Still, the evidence is slim that Clinton or Obama paid people to cause violence in Chicago. We asked the Trump campaign for any other evidence of Obama’s role, or the Clinton campaign’s role in any other Trump rallies other than Chicago. We have not received a response.The Pinocchio Test
Trump jumbled up a lot of the issues brought up in the video by Project Veritas.
He tied Clinton to violence at multiple rallies, including the one in Chicago. But his campaign has not provided evidence beyond the Chicago example. And the evidence the campaign did provide is slim: Rodriguez, an activist who was paid by Hillary for America in February in Arizona, says in the video that she “did the Chicago Trump event where we shut down like all the, yeah.” The payment was made about two weeks before the Chicago incident. There were skirmishes between protesters and supporters inside and outside the arena in Chicago, but Foval describes tactics specifically used outside the venues in order to avoid the Secret Service.
Foval does describe tactics used to bait Trump supporters into confrontation, and potentially violence, but Foval is not directly paid by the Clinton campaign or by the DNC. In fact, he describes in the video that he ensures a “double blind” so that the campaign and the DNC can claim plausible deniability.
Further, the Trump Foundation gave $10,000 to Project Veritas in 2015. Just as Trump is skeptical of Rodriguez’s motives because of her previous payment from the Clinton campaign, readers should also be wary of Trump touting a Project Veritas video that matches his campaign rhetoric.
There are many unknowns with this video. We don’t know the full context in which Foval’s statements were made, or whether there were other activists involved in violence at Trump rallies who have direct links to the campaign or to the DNC. Based on the information available now, Trump is stretching the facts too far, thus earning Three Pinocchios. We will keep an eye on this to see whether the Pinocchio count should be adjusted.Three Pinocchios
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